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1 Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:34 am

(The first post in the forum is in English, so I assume we continue in English.)
Is there anybody that used the components as advised by Jos and used the Schaeffer software to make the back panel and/or front panel?
I'm building my Relaixed and in the meantime would like to have the back and front panel made by Schaeffer.
So it would be very helpful if someone could give me the Schaeffer files/drawings, that would really save some time.

Thanks in advance!

Matthias.

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2 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:48 am

I have the drawings from Jos, you can have them if you like. you can call me, i live in the netherlands. It is easy to copy and paste in a new file.
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3 Enclosures on Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:31 pm

Hi all,

firstly thanks for posting in English - I'd be lost with anything else!

Can I lay claim to being the most "far flung" Relaixed builder - I lived in Abu Dhabi when I first "found" Relaixed and bought the boards and a few other bits & bobs from Jos and a whole pile of components from Farnell. As soon as the parts all arrived my company asked me to move to Bahrain so progress on Relaixed is so far ........ zero!

I also have the files from Jos for the rear panel and I think that I'll find it easy enough to modify to suit my needs (Jos was mounting DAC socketry on the back panel which I won't need), what I'm a little more concerned about is the front panel.

I'd like to house my Relaixed in a black enclosure but am a little concerned that machining a black anodised panel will leave a fair bit of natural aluminium showing (display window volume knob recess etc - does anyone have experience of the Schaeffer panels in this respect or any suggestions to minimise the impact?

Sorry for "going on" a little and thanks to Jos for the original design, the excellent boards, for being so helpful and for setting up this forum which I hope to both learn from and contribute to as my build progresses.

Cheers
Dave

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4 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:16 pm

Is this the type of what you mean


It is halve the way.

I like to make a new top cover folded over both sides and a front with dark plexiglass



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5 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:12 pm

I was wondering if anyone knows what that black material Jos used to cover the hole that housed his LED display and IR receiver. Was it just black plexiglas? I how you cant see into the circuit board but the blue LED segment display is clear.

I am not sure DB can quite claim to be the most far flung Relaixed owner. I live in Alaska...

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6 enclosures on Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:59 pm

I think you have me beaten on distance akcruiser!

Yes the "window"in Jos' build is indeed a piece of dark grey plexiglass, I know this as at the time of my board order he had some left over and was kind enough to send me a piece. Must admit I'm dreading the job of shaping it to fit the corners of the front panel aperture, my skills such as they may be are more on the electronics side than the mechanical!

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Dave

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7 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:25 pm

I'm in Italy so the world coverage is getting better and better...
I'm also more into electronics than enclosures and I do like the version that Jos show on Picasa. I'm very interested in a design file for both front (hifi2000) and back (Schaeffer).
Otherwise, I know from experience that I will have the RelaiXed up and running in a few weeks and boxed in several month!
I'm not sure that my new DAC (Buffalo32S) and its attendant circuitry will fit inside so I was planning for a layout with pre-amp only connections in a slim-line design.

Cheers,

Nic

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8 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:37 am

Hi,
regarding the blank alu of Schaeffers panels....
http://picasaweb.google.com/jos.van.eijndhoven/BalancedPreAmp#5195167926344467634
As you can see on my Schaeffer 'black' backpanel, indeed all outward sides and holes are indeed blank alu. For the backpanel I found this still acceptable, but for my front I would have more doubts. On the bakcpanel, I colored the inner sides of the holes black with a CD marker pen. As result, the holes around the XLR connectors look perfect now. I must also admit that the machining quality surpassed all my expectations: the tight fit of my drawing works great. Also, the blank alu text symbols are beautiful in the black panel.
http://picasaweb.google.com/jos.van.eijndhoven/BalancedPreAmp#5195167939229369554

Still, my www.hifi200.it housing comes with a nice 10mm thick brushed black alu front, where the black brushed pattern extends around all edges. Maybe one can check whether Schaeffer is willing to work on user-provided panels...

Another option would be to contact hifi200.it whether they are willing to provide/stock dedicated relaixed panels.... But I guess it should also be quite possible to find some other small metal-working company which is willing to do a 'standard' machining of sent-in front panels.

Greetings,
Jos

DB wrote:Hi all,
I'd like to house my Relaixed in a black enclosure but am a little concerned that machining a black anodised panel will leave a fair bit of natural aluminium showing (display window volume knob recess etc - does anyone have experience of the Schaeffer panels in this respect or any suggestions to minimise the impact?
Cheers
Dave



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9 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:13 am

Hi Jos,
Could you possibly make the design file for the Schaefferback panel available for download. Preferably in the Schaeffer "Front Panel Designer 3.51" file-format so that it would be easy to customize.
I think it would take me 10 panels before I would get the PCB mounted XLR's to fit....
It would be a great starting point as I plan to use the hifi2000 slim line enclosure.
Cheers,
Nic

P.S. On your back panel there is a "PLL out" out hole... Curiosity and ignorance makes me ask what that is for.....

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10 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:43 am

Maybe one can check whether Schaeffer is willing to work on user-provided panels...

Schaeffer is willing to work on user-provided panels but they don't anodised the panel after machining. They are working on it. Hifi2000 will do the job for you, but the price is very high for one panel.

Co

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11 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:04 am

You can copy and paste with in scheaffers cad programm. Only where Jos used 10 mm for the holes, i needed 12 mm, that was after i bought the WBT connectors.

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12 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:11 am

hans wrote:You can copy and paste with in scheaffers cad programm.
Ok, I understand - but I have nothing to paste....
Nic

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13 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:18 am

Send me a mail than i can send it to you, i can't find a way to attach a file within this forum.

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14 more enclosures .................... on Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:11 pm

Another option would be to contact hifi200.it whether they are willing to provide/stock dedicated relaixed panels....

This seems like an excellent idea to me, I guess a good percentage of RelaiXed builders will go with the HIFI2000 cases and if I remember correctly their very high cost for a single panel becomes much more reasonable when spread across even 10 or so.

Do other members think this is worth following up on? If there's sufficient interest maybe we could get consensus on designs for both front and rear panels and then contact HiFi2000 for a quote?

I'll put my thoughts down as a starting point for discussion:

Rear panel - basically per Jos' design shown on his picasa link but without the dac connector holes - what is the majority wish on input connectors 3 sets of XLR and 2 of RCA or the reverse? Propose black aluminium

Front panel --- mmmmmm I'll think about this one for a while - black for me certainly but I need to think about details of layout and window aperture design.

Could others post their thoughts please?

Cheers
Dave

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15 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:14 pm

This is my plan.
Hifi 2000 case GX 383

I have now a working amp, now the finishing touch.

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16 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:53 pm

dear costumer,
the cost for the perforation to design is of euro 50 + vat, the cost for the silkscreen is of euro 30 but you must add 100 euro for system expenses that you have to pay only the first time.
to disposition for other info
regards
Andrea Bettazzoni]

This was the price one year ago (2008) by hifi2000. Excluding tax and posting. Total amount was more than 220 euro for one panel.

Co

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17 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:54 pm

cve,
For which panel design? It would seem that we would not have to pay the "system expenses" for a second panel.
Nic

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18 Realaixed enclosures on Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:41 am

Hi from Australia,

Can't claim to be the most 'far flung' but may be furthest in the southern hemisphere.

I have some pics of the more or less complete RelaiXed amp which I will post as soon as I work out how to do it or better still can someone enlighthen me on the process. I have been listening to it for quite sometime without a case and managed to fit it in its final case over the xmas break.

Some minor details in relation to the case construction you might be interested in. I actually made the rear panel cavities with a manual hydraulic punch which worked extremely well and amazingly it all fitted. These devices sell for about $AUD100 on eBay and you can have all short of die shaped made, and you get a clear cut in the metal. They are great for example for rectangular holes etc. The front panel was designed using AUTOCAD LITE and made by an industrial workshop and interestingly the American franchise of the company Schaeffer is currently advertising their services here.



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19 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:02 pm

Hi forum readers,
I just added my back-panel schaeffer design file to the web site, although it is not referred from the web page. You can find it as http://www.vaneijndhoven.net/jos/relaixed/backpanel_mrt08.fpd
This is quite an old file, I hope it is still compatible with a newer version of their design program.
The footprint of the XLRs is exact, and their mutual horizontal distance precisely fits the RelaiXed PCB. Regarding the height of the XLRs in the back-panel: The design assumes, in agreement with the hifi2000 cases, that the back-panel rests on top of the chassis bottom plate, AND that you use 5mm high spacers between the same bottom plate and the PCB.
In my design I had to position the PCB quite far to the right side (to left when seen from the back) in the chassis, to make enough room on its left side to fit in my DAC board. So, you might want to shift the set of XLRs in the backpanel a few cm more to the center, and remove some of my weird holes intended for the DAC board....
(In this design, the distance between the 230V mains entry and the XLR audio out is less then what I would have preferred.)

NicolaiS wrote:Hi Jos,
Could you possibly make the design file for the Schaefferback panel available for download. Preferably in the Schaeffer "Front Panel Designer 3.51" file-format so that it would be easy to customize.
I think it would take me 10 panels before I would get the PCB mounted XLR's to fit....
It would be a great starting point as I plan to use the hifi2000 slim line enclosure.
Cheers,
Nic

P.S. On your back panel there is a "PLL out" out hole... Curiosity and ignorance makes me ask what that is for.....

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20 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:01 pm

cve,
For which panel design? It would seem that we would not have to pay the "system expenses" for a second panel.
Nic

For a panel by Hifi2000 you need cadcam software. That's not so easy for the most of us. The panels I've done were for integrated amps based on the Relaixed with UcD400 modules. The silver one is done by Schaeffer. The black one by Hifi2000. The backpanel is done by Schaeffer.

Co

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21 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:38 pm

Hi,
I have just sent an email to hifi2000, with a request whether they are willing to provide a 'specialization' of their slimline case dedicated for RelaiXed.
If they do, then everyone can simply order his/her case directly from them.
(I just saw that they do that now also for a 'T-AMP' enclosure.)
Maybe, if they would only provide a special front-panel with inserted plexiglass window and recessed volume knob, that would already help significantly.
Lets await their answer....

If they are not interested, a 2nd scenario is that 'we' together order a bunch of specialised cases. (Which relieves them from keeping stock and uncertainty of number of customers.)

Cheers,
Jos

DB wrote:
Another option would be to contact hifi200.it whether they are willing to provide/stock dedicated relaixed panels....

This seems like an excellent idea to me, I guess a good percentage of RelaiXed builders will go with the HIFI2000 cases and if I remember correctly their very high cost for a single panel becomes much more reasonable when spread across even 10 or so.

Do other members think this is worth following up on? If there's sufficient interest maybe we could get consensus on designs for both front and rear panels and then contact HiFi2000 for a quote?

Could others post their thoughts please?

Cheers
Dave

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22 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:49 pm

Whow,
your black brushed frontpanel with steel knob looks awesome!
(In fact very much like my own, as I also have the black hifi200 frontpanel with a steel knob from DACT "CT-knob".)

Jos

cve wrote:
For a panel by Hifi2000 you need cadcam software. That's not so easy for the most of us. The panels I've done were for integrated amps based on the Relaixed with UcD400 modules... The black one by Hifi2000...

Co

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23 Re: Building enclosure using Schaeffer on Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:24 am

Excellent! Thanks Jos,

please feel free to let HiFi 2000 know that there's at least one guaranteed order from sunny Bahrain for a slimline case, black front panel and 3 X XLR rear panel if they agree to do a RelaiXed special

Cheers
Dave


josve wrote:Hi,
I have just sent an email to hifi2000, with a request whether they are willing to provide a 'specialization' of their slimline case dedicated for RelaiXed.
If they do, then everyone can simply order his/her case directly from them.
(I just saw that they do that now also for a 'T-AMP' enclosure.)
Maybe, if they would only provide a special front-panel with inserted plexiglass window and recessed volume knob, that would already help significantly.
Lets await their answer....

If they are not interested, a 2nd scenario is that 'we' together order a bunch of specialised cases. (Which relieves them from keeping stock and uncertainty of number of customers.)

Cheers,
Jos

DB wrote:
Another option would be to contact hifi200.it whether they are willing to provide/stock dedicated relaixed panels....

This seems like an excellent idea to me, I guess a good percentage of RelaiXed builders will go with the HIFI2000 cases and if I remember correctly their very high cost for a single panel becomes much more reasonable when spread across even 10 or so.

Do other members think this is worth following up on? If there's sufficient interest maybe we could get consensus on designs for both front and rear panels and then contact HiFi2000 for a quote?

Could others post their thoughts please?

Cheers
Dave

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